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		<title>By: The Angry Drunk</title>
		<link>http://www.theangrydrunk.com/2009/12/08/damned-if-you-do/comment-page-2/#comment-3093</link>
		<dc:creator>The Angry Drunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh for the love of Satan just stop.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A) This isn&#039;t some sort of discussion forum.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;and&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;B) You&#039;re just embarrassing yourself.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh for the love of Satan just stop.</p>

<p>A) This isn’t some sort of discussion forum.</p>

<p>and</p>

<p>B) You’re just embarrassing yourself.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.theangrydrunk.com/2009/12/08/damned-if-you-do/comment-page-2/#comment-3094</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ok you can go back spending your unpaid time doing AT&amp;T&#039;s job in their place. Now I know who&#039;s getting &quot;fucked&quot;. I&#039;ll be watching, laughing my ass off with my iPhone on my Orange network.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;See? I can use profanity too.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sigh...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok you can go back spending your unpaid time doing AT&amp;T’s job in their place. Now I know who’s getting “fucked”. I’ll be watching, laughing my ass off with my iPhone on my Orange network.</p>

<p>See? I can use profanity too.</p>

<p>Sigh…</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: The Angry Drunk</title>
		<link>http://www.theangrydrunk.com/2009/12/08/damned-if-you-do/comment-page-2/#comment-3095</link>
		<dc:creator>The Angry Drunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh goody, the &quot;I can&#039;t actually address your comments so I&#039;ll complain about profanity&quot; trick. Always a treat.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ll try to explain this to you like a small child, since you&#039;re obviously incapable of getting the gods damned point. No one is attempting to claim that AT&amp;T doesn&#039;t have network problems in some areas. On the other hand, trying to claim that AT&amp;T releasing an app to gather data in the hopes of fixing the problem is a bad thing, LIKE THE FUCKING ARTICLE THAT I&#039;M COMMENTING ON DOES, is dipshit blogger link-bait.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And, again since you obviously need things pointed out to you like a blind man in an art gallery:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Here&#039;s a hint...what you can tell from the phone:

signal strength
S/N
start/stop times for transmissions
Length of transmissions
Type of transmission, (EDGE, 3G, WIFI, etc.)

If you get draconian, (no, not dressing like Princess Ardala), and use actual phone call data, you might be able to add:

Was the call dropped or hung up, but that isn&#039;t really reliable.

What it wont&#039; do crap for is when you can&#039;t download a web page unless you&#039;re doing content monitoring, (Who wants AT&amp;T doing that? Right) It won&#039;t tell you what the audio quality of the call was. (just because signal strength is low doesn&#039;t mean the call quality sucked, nor does high strength or good S/N mean the call quality was high. Carrier and Content, 2 different things).

Do you really want your phone communicating to AT&amp;T all the time like that? No? Then fucking think a goddamned minute and realize this is the best way to get this information, because you also get a better idea of what locations are having the problems that affect the most people, and that&#039;s not something that signal strength is going to tell you. Jesus.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, I&#039;m glad that you apparently live in some technological utopia where your carrier (who you&#039;ve conveniently neglected to identify) can somehow gather more information than that...possibly by way of unicorn farts...but from the rest of us who want AT&amp;T to actually upgrade their shit...sod off.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh goody, the “I can’t actually address your comments so I’ll complain about profanity” trick. Always a treat.</p>

<p>I’ll try to explain this to you like a small child, since you’re obviously incapable of getting the gods damned point. No one is attempting to claim that AT&amp;T doesn’t have network problems in some areas. On the other hand, trying to claim that AT&amp;T releasing an app to gather data in the hopes of fixing the problem is a bad thing, LIKE THE FUCKING ARTICLE THAT I’M COMMENTING ON DOES, is dipshit blogger link-bait.</p>

<p>And, again since you obviously need things pointed out to you like a blind man in an art gallery:</p>

<blockquote>
Here’s a hint…what you can tell from the phone:

signal strength
S/N
start/stop times for transmissions
Length of transmissions
Type of transmission, (EDGE, 3G, WIFI, etc.)

If you get draconian, (no, not dressing like Princess Ardala), and use actual phone call data, you might be able to add:

Was the call dropped or hung up, but that isn’t really reliable.

What it wont’ do crap for is when you can’t download a web page unless you’re doing content monitoring, (Who wants AT&amp;T doing that? Right) It won’t tell you what the audio quality of the call was. (just because signal strength is low doesn’t mean the call quality sucked, nor does high strength or good S/N mean the call quality was high. Carrier and Content, 2 different things).

Do you really want your phone communicating to AT&amp;T all the time like that? No? Then fucking think a goddamned minute and realize this is the best way to get this information, because you also get a better idea of what locations are having the problems that affect the most people, and that’s not something that signal strength is going to tell you. Jesus.
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<p>Now, I’m glad that you apparently live in some technological utopia where your carrier (who you’ve conveniently neglected to identify) can somehow gather more information than that…possibly by way of unicorn farts…but from the rest of us who want AT&amp;T to actually upgrade their shit…sod off.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.theangrydrunk.com/2009/12/08/damned-if-you-do/comment-page-2/#comment-3096</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t know what or who is &quot;fucking&quot;, or how swearing makes it any better for you to understand my question (apparently it did not improve your reading ability as you skipped half of my question), but I could not see anywhere in this thread a technical explanation why AT&amp;T cannot do things that other networks can, from John or anybody else.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In any case, I can tell you one thing: my phone calls using my iPhone on my network are high quality, and never drop. And data is equally as good (I&#039;m just having 1137 kbps throughput over 3G with a remote server right now as a single data point - not isolated). And my network did not have to put up a sorry defect-reporting app to achieve that.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know what or who is “fucking”, or how swearing makes it any better for you to understand my question (apparently it did not improve your reading ability as you skipped half of my question), but I could not see anywhere in this thread a technical explanation why AT&amp;T cannot do things that other networks can, from John or anybody else.<br /><br />In any case, I can tell you one thing: my phone calls using my iPhone on my network are high quality, and never drop. And data is equally as good (I’m just having 1137 kbps throughput over 3G with a remote server right now as a single data point — not isolated). And my network did not have to put up a sorry defect-reporting app to achieve that.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: The Angry Drunk</title>
		<link>http://www.theangrydrunk.com/2009/12/08/damned-if-you-do/comment-page-2/#comment-2367</link>
		<dc:creator>The Angry Drunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh for the love of Satan just stop.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A) This isn&#039;t some sort of discussion forum.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;and&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;B) You&#039;re just embarrassing yourself.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh for the love of Satan just stop.<br /><br />A) This isn’t some sort of discussion forum.<br /><br />and<br /><br />B) You’re just embarrassing yourself.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: jdmuys</title>
		<link>http://www.theangrydrunk.com/2009/12/08/damned-if-you-do/comment-page-2/#comment-2366</link>
		<dc:creator>jdmuys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ok you can go back spending your unpaid time doing AT&amp;T&#039;s job in their place. Now I know who&#039;s getting &quot;fucked&quot;. I&#039;ll be watching, laughing my ass off with my iPhone on my Orange network.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;See? I can use profanity too.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sigh...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok you can go back spending your unpaid time doing AT&amp;T’s job in their place. Now I know who’s getting “fucked”. I’ll be watching, laughing my ass off with my iPhone on my Orange network.<br /><br />See? I can use profanity too.<br /><br />Sigh…</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: The Angry Drunk</title>
		<link>http://www.theangrydrunk.com/2009/12/08/damned-if-you-do/comment-page-2/#comment-2365</link>
		<dc:creator>The Angry Drunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh goody, the &quot;I can&#039;t actually address your comments so I&#039;ll complain about profanity&quot; trick. Always a treat.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ll try to explain this to you like a small child, since you&#039;re obviously incapable of getting the gods damned point. No one is attempting to claim that AT&amp;T doesn&#039;t have network problems in some areas. On the other hand, trying to claim that AT&amp;T releasing an app to gather data in the hopes of fixing the problem is a bad thing, LIKE THE FUCKING ARTICLE THAT I&#039;M COMMENTING ON DOES, is dipshit blogger link-bait.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And, again since you obviously need things pointed out to you like a blind man in an art gallery:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here&#039;s a hint...what you can tell from the phone:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;signal strength&lt;br&gt;S/N&lt;br&gt;start/stop times for transmissions&lt;br&gt;Length of transmissions&lt;br&gt;Type of transmission, (EDGE, 3G, WIFI, etc.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you get draconian, (no, not dressing like Princess Ardala), and use actual phone call data, you might be able to add:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Was the call dropped or hung up, but that isn&#039;t really reliable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What it wont&#039; do crap for is when you can&#039;t download a web page unless you&#039;re doing content monitoring, (Who wants AT&amp;T doing that? Right) It won&#039;t tell you what the audio quality of the call was. (just because signal strength is low doesn&#039;t mean the call quality sucked, nor does high strength or good S/N mean the call quality was high. Carrier and Content, 2 different things).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Do you really want your phone communicating to AT&amp;T all the time like that? No? Then fucking think a goddamned minute and realize this is the best way to get this information, because you also get a better idea of what locations are having the problems that affect the most people, and that&#039;s not something that signal strength is going to tell you. Jesus.&lt;br&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, I&#039;m glad that you apparently live in some technological utopia where your carrier (who you&#039;ve conveniently neglected to identify) can somehow gather more information than that...possibly by way of unicorn farts...but from the rest of us who want AT&amp;T to actually upgrade their shit...sod off.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh goody, the “I can’t actually address your comments so I’ll complain about profanity” trick. Always a treat.<br /><br />I’ll try to explain this to you like a small child, since you’re obviously incapable of getting the gods damned point. No one is attempting to claim that AT&amp;T doesn’t have network problems in some areas. On the other hand, trying to claim that AT&amp;T releasing an app to gather data in the hopes of fixing the problem is a bad thing, LIKE THE FUCKING ARTICLE THAT I’M COMMENTING ON DOES, is dipshit blogger link-bait.<br /><br />And, again since you obviously need things pointed out to you like a blind man in an art gallery:<br /><br /></p>

<blockquote><br />Here’s a hint…what you can tell from the phone:<br /><br />signal strength<br />S/N<br />start/stop times for transmissions<br />Length of transmissions<br />Type of transmission, (EDGE, 3G, WIFI, etc.)<br /><br />If you get draconian, (no, not dressing like Princess Ardala), and use actual phone call data, you might be able to add:<br /><br />Was the call dropped or hung up, but that isn’t really reliable.<br /><br />What it wont’ do crap for is when you can’t download a web page unless you’re doing content monitoring, (Who wants AT&amp;T doing that? Right) It won’t tell you what the audio quality of the call was. (just because signal strength is low doesn’t mean the call quality sucked, nor does high strength or good S/N mean the call quality was high. Carrier and Content, 2 different things).<br /><br />Do you really want your phone communicating to AT&amp;T all the time like that? No? Then fucking think a goddamned minute and realize this is the best way to get this information, because you also get a better idea of what locations are having the problems that affect the most people, and that’s not something that signal strength is going to tell you. Jesus.<br /></blockquote>

<p><br /><br />Now, I’m glad that you apparently live in some technological utopia where your carrier (who you’ve conveniently neglected to identify) can somehow gather more information than that…possibly by way of unicorn farts…but from the rest of us who want AT&amp;T to actually upgrade their shit…sod off.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: jdmuys</title>
		<link>http://www.theangrydrunk.com/2009/12/08/damned-if-you-do/comment-page-2/#comment-2364</link>
		<dc:creator>jdmuys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t know what or who is &quot;fucking&quot;, or how swearing makes it any better for you to understand my question (apparently it did not improve your reading ability as you skipped half of my question), but I could not see anywhere in this thread a technical explanation why AT&amp;T cannot do things that other networks can, from John or anybody else.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In any case, I can tell you one thing: my phone calls using my iPhone on my network are high quality, and never drop. And data is equally as good (I&#039;m just having 1137 kbps throughput over 3G with a close-by server right now as a single point, but not isolated, example). And my network did not have to put up a sorry defect-reporting app to achieve that.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know what or who is “fucking”, or how swearing makes it any better for you to understand my question (apparently it did not improve your reading ability as you skipped half of my question), but I could not see anywhere in this thread a technical explanation why AT&amp;T cannot do things that other networks can, from John or anybody else.<br /><br />In any case, I can tell you one thing: my phone calls using my iPhone on my network are high quality, and never drop. And data is equally as good (I’m just having 1137 kbps throughput over 3G with a close-by server right now as a single point, but not isolated, example). And my network did not have to put up a sorry defect-reporting app to achieve that.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: The Angry Drunk</title>
		<link>http://www.theangrydrunk.com/2009/12/08/damned-if-you-do/comment-page-2/#comment-2361</link>
		<dc:creator>The Angry Drunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;well, if you would, I don&#039;t know...read the fucking thread, you would see that John already explained exactly what a carrier can monitor remotely, and why there are things that are better reported by end users.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, if you would, I don’t know…read the fucking thread, you would see that John already explained exactly what a carrier can monitor remotely, and why there are things that are better reported by end users.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: jdmuys</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdmuys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, quite possibly. In any case the extent of my knowledge is so small that I always welcome a chance to get educated.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m looking forward to your two explanations for why AT&amp;T can&#039;t monitor its own network while the operator I&#039;m working with can.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, quite possibly. In any case the extent of my knowledge is so small that I always welcome a chance to get educated.<br /><br />I’m looking forward to your two explanations for why AT&amp;T can’t monitor its own network while the operator I’m working with can.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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