Zero Tolerance (FOAGOMP)

@Rip Ragged: very fine. Agree with you absolutely, except at those points you made that I don't agree with. Clearly you are wrong there. But, for those things I do I agree with, then I have to concede you are right.

@Joe: Oh, actually you said "basic needs" something, something, blah, 250k. So maybe you do believe that people earning shitloads should pay taxes? Not clear on your argument there.

@The Angry Drunk: Absolutely. Fuck them in the eye, as my maiden aunt Daphne used to say.

@Joe: Answer to your question, Joe. Yes, I think people who make over 250K should contribute back to the society that gave them the opportunity to make that salary. Do you think they just did that all on their own? Do you think that infrastructure, schools and health (I live in UK and have the benefit of free health, thanks Mr. Bevan) costs nothing? Do you want people with no money, and no prospect of getting money, just to die? Is that your thesis? If you're not lucky enough to hit the jackpot in capricious markets then you should get out of the way?

Here's an example - the guy who invented Hula Hoops made a mint. That's cool for him, lucky he hit the market when a craze for daft pursuits was ascendant. Then there's the guy who invented RSA public key encryption 30 years before it got patented - he worked for GCHQ in the UK as a civil servant and died dribbling in a care home. Unlucky that his invention got D-noticed by UK secret service, but nonetheless talented. He could have been a very rich chap, but because he worked in a super-secret cold war bunker he had no way to make money.

So you are wrong. And trotting out the trailer park homily is an inverse of argumentum ad hominem: your argument doesn't get any credence because of who you are.

@diskgrinder:
Heh, I really should revisit this little gem in light of the last two weeks' shenanigans. Government assistance don't seem so horrible now, does it you rich twats.

I know how to solve this problem that you guys (clearly you are guys) have erected here: carry on being selfish until you fuck up and then the gubbermint to bail you out with $700 fucking billion. That's one big fucker of a welfare cheque to keep you in caviar, whores and SUVs.

You shit on about how you make so much money you shouldn't have to worry about people who don't (make so much money, windowlickers) yet when the crunch comes and you are leveraged up the sphincter with debt you spinned up yourselves - what do you want? A government handout.

Irony (not a synonym for steely) is that because taxes were paid, there's money there to do that for you. No tax, no handout.

Fuck off my planet, you vile mendicants, bounders and fucking cads that you are.

@fellow commentards...

Hear, hear. Let's hear it for the blogosphere.

The great thing about being a blogger is that we can just rant on. We can be deadly serious or completely frivolous. Sometimes all in the same post. We can be one- two- three- or four-sided (five is pushing it). Sometimes without telling anyone which is which. If someone doesn't like it, they're free to add a "Cindy Sux," agree or disagree, or just move along. We're free to engage or ignore all comers. We promise nothing. We deliver.

And we can do it all wearing nothing but a cigarette and a smile.

If you think what you have to say is more important or better than what we have to say, get your own fucking blog. We did.

That cracks me up. One sided then, you respond when you agree. What's the use. I will use the close button!

I thought you actually might be interested in debating things, but I guess your not. I should have figured that out with your first comment. Glad the world isn't full of fools like you! I'm at least willing to hear what someone else has to say and respond to it!

This is your blog so do as you please. Live your life how you see fit, that's what makes America great!

@Joe:
What? Don't make the mistake of thinking that I'm here to engage in a dialog with anyone who deigns to leave a comment. And I sure as shit don't have the time or energy to deflate every bullshit argument that gets flung out there. Don't like it, the close button on your browser works just fine.

still, almost patientlym waiting for answers to my questions.

@The Angry Drunk:

don't get me wrong, though, what would we do for comedy without these guys? nothing beats a weekly dose of capmag.com to get those laughing muscles flexing...

What slays me is how they think that "their money," when they're allowed to keep all of it, will be worth anything after they've destroyed the government that issued it.

@dwarfland:
You're telling me. It's like the Randites have a crack team of internet warriors waiting to deploy the first second someone suggests that the members of a society have some rudimentary duty to care for other people.

Jeez, who let out the Ayn Rand fans?

Hmmm.

Wow. A lot of energy here. I read the original post and thought, "Yeah, okay. Fuck the retards who can't engage in a reasonable discussion." Then there follows a whole litany of anger (from people who seem to fit the bill).

I come down on the conservative side of most political discussions (not all, but most); that said, I get just as pissed at being called a conservative as a liberal. I notice that once people accept a label like that, they tend to stop thinking for themselves and just parrot the party line. I may be mistaken, but that seems to me to be the affliction to which Mr. Drunk is referring.

As soon as someone adopts the label "liberal" or "conservative," I no longer consider their opinions of any value. When someone starts throwing "fucking neocon," "fucking liberal," and "fascist buttfucker" around, then I study their opinion carefully to make sure they haven't inadvertently said anything true. That usually isn't a problem.

What amuses me most is the number of commenters above who self-identify with:

1) Being Conservative or Libertarian (at least not a "Fucking Liberal").
2) The Angry Drunk's phrase "the willfully ignorant, the terminally self absorbed, and the criminally selfish".

Way to reinforce the point, guys. Remember, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

Ok, so the problems are the greedy doctors. Hmm, how is a politician going to change that. Throw them all out and star over. I don't think I blamed the liberals for outsourcing jobs, I said what are you doing about it, you didn't answer me! Why have a comments section if you are not going to read what people write?

I didn't win the lotto of life, my dad grew up in a one room house in a rural town, dropped our of school and went to work, where he worked his ass off, manual labor, showed up for word every day and did so until he had a heart attack. He saved his money, didn't piss it away and lived in the same house, and still does, so that he could help his kids do well.

Now we've worked our ass off and are trying to install the same beliefs into our kids.

Also you didn't answer any of my other questions I posed. Buck up and stop cursing as a way our.

The fact is I believe that we should take care of people and provide basic needs for everyone, but I don't believe we should provide everything for everyone. And I don't think that people that make over 250,000 a year should have the burden for everyone else.

Galts 1&2: Where the Fuck did you come from? Ever consider learning to read for comprehension?

Anyway, no you may not build a smelter next to my house and require me to sue you AFTER my family is poisoned.

Any libertarian who doesn't understand the meaning of the word "society" can just FOAGOMP too. We're not going to let you fuckers piss on the entire notion of a society, simply because you want more money.

WE killed 100 million? Because WE refused them medical care so we could buy another Hummer? You don't like this place, go live somewhere else, like Zimbabwe, where the "government" will leave you alone....if you pay them enough. Or maybe Burma.

Anyway, NONE of this is apropos of the OP.

@ Joe:

Doctors, your ass! If the medical industry would stop making most of their obscene profits from charging people (or their insurance companies) ridiculous amounts of money for experimental treatments for ailments like cancer that they have no idea how to treat, and actually provide basic health care, they'd have plenty of resources. Instead, they fuck up everything they touch. I've watched them murder several people in my immediate family with their "atrocious experiments;" at least Mengele didn't charge his victims! THEN: Science (REAL Science, NOT medicine) handed them human Tumor Necrosis Factor on a silver platter, and they somehow managed to make it not work. MOUSE TNF works on mice, but that's because they don't have doctors!

Oh, yeah, blame the "liberals" for Wal-Mart and an American lifestyle based on Chinese prison labor: that makes a lot of sense. It wasn't Dubya who said "outsourcing is a good thing." Oh, wait a minute: yes, it was!

I'm glad you won the lotto of life and got to go to college and work at a good job for 20 years to get to where you are today, but let me tell you something, sonny boy, there are people out there literally working themselves to death for not nearly enough to live on, and anyone who suggests that anyone who works full time should make at least enough to have a roof over their heads is labeled a Communist. I know, though, their bad luck makes them a lesser breed who deserve no consideration from aristocrats such as yourself! FUCK THAT!

You guys crack me up. The fact is I will get the "Fuck off your blog if you want", but because I disagree with you I will not get the fuck off the planet. Selfish bastards... you call yourself liberal. I'd be curious to know how much time each of you spend volunteering to help the poor and how much of your income you give away each year.

I would also be interested to know if you can explain how we are going to, withing 4 years, insure 47 million more people, which would require an additional 100,000 doctors to do without changing the load. I think health care needs to be fixed, but if you think Obama is going to do it in 4 years, do your homework. We are only going to add 90,000 doctors through normal activities in the next 10 years and they will only make up for the ones that are retiring or dying.

Same with stopping the exporting of our jobs. This didn't just start under Bush and it won't end until Obama. How many times have you "bought American" instead of buying the cheapest product available? Do you buy organic local grown produce or do you go to grocery store and buy the stuff that was picked by foreigners or came from southern america, all the while complaining about the price. Do you only eat strawberries when they are in season and grown in America or all year long.

Yeah let's take care of everyone too. I went to college and have worked my ass off for the past 20 years, but it makes sense for me to give up more and more of my income to take care of the people that don't give a shit. FUCK THAT!

Amen brother Angry! Ever since the birth of my son, I've had less an less tolerance for ideology whose sole purpose is to justify selfishness or a sense of self-righteousness. As a committed disciple of Jesus, it particularly incenses me when The Big J's or G's name is dropped in service of that.

@ John Galt 1 & 2 (If you are in fact two people.)

"Fucking liberals", is it? You are Goddamned shit-eating Fascist buttfuckers, and if there was any way to send a million-volt charge back down the line you sent this fucking crap in on, I'd love to hear you sizzle until you were the blackened, charred masses of shit you deserve to be. YOUR kind killed 100 million people last century, and then you put that fucking piece of diseased smegma Dubya in the White House to see how many more HE could kill! Eat shit and die, and get the Hell off my planet, too!

I agree with first John. Why should I work for you? I don't ask anything of anyone else other than not to trample on my Constitutional rights. None of these require me to take care of everyone else. You, however, expect me to give the fruits of my labor to you and yours. This is not a humanity issue, it is a control issue. You want to control me. You want me to believe whatever you say with no evidence (or at best spurious evidence). You are the one telling me to get off the planet.

Excuse me, YOUR planet. Just how big is your head?

I've had it with your venting, the title of your blog now seems astute. You're off my feed too.

You have just declared yourself to be evil by claiming that some people must live for your sake. Fucking liberals. So typical, you abuse and impoverish people and round around with feathers up your butt claiming to be "selfless". I'll take someone who recognizes they are selfish over your denials anyday.

You and your kind killed 100 million people last century... when are you going to learn your lesson?

Zero Tolerance is right, you're off my feed.