Comments on: Oh for the Love of God! http://www.theangrydrunk.com/2008/04/18/oh-for-the-love-of-god/ Delivering Enlightenment to the Masses, One Blunt Force Trauma at a Time. Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:33:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Medela metro bag http://www.theangrydrunk.com/2008/04/18/oh-for-the-love-of-god/comment-page-3/#comment-2104 Medela metro bag Fri, 29 May 2009 09:00:35 +0000 http://www.theangrydrunk.com/?p=152#comment-2104 <p>Interesting read, thanks for posting, bookmarking it, will surely be back again.<br><br>Debra</p> Interesting read, thanks for posting, bookmarking it, will surely be back again.

Debra

]]> By: jonah http://www.theangrydrunk.com/2008/04/18/oh-for-the-love-of-god/comment-page-3/#comment-313 jonah Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:07:16 +0000 http://www.theangrydrunk.com/?p=152#comment-313 <p>Yeah, this is all a big fuss about nothing. However, opt-out is the tactic of the spammer. Just sayin'.</p> Yeah, this is all a big fuss about nothing. However, opt-out is the tactic of the spammer. Just sayin’.

]]> By: jonah http://www.theangrydrunk.com/2008/04/18/oh-for-the-love-of-god/comment-page-3/#comment-3427 jonah Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:07:00 +0000 http://www.theangrydrunk.com/?p=152#comment-3427 <p>Yeah, this is all a big fuss about nothing. However, opt-out is the tactic of the spammer. Just sayin'.</p> Yeah, this is all a big fuss about nothing. However, opt-out is the tactic of the spammer. Just sayin’.

]]> By: Heart_Man_2000 http://www.theangrydrunk.com/2008/04/18/oh-for-the-love-of-god/comment-page-3/#comment-312 Heart_Man_2000 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:33:32 +0000 http://www.theangrydrunk.com/?p=152#comment-312 <p>I can't understand all the fuss. If you don't want Apple software on your Windows machine, don't install it in the first place. It's called freedom of choice.</p> I can’t understand all the fuss. If you don’t want Apple software on your Windows machine, don’t install it in the first place. It’s called freedom of choice.

]]> By: Heart_Man_2000 http://www.theangrydrunk.com/2008/04/18/oh-for-the-love-of-god/comment-page-3/#comment-3426 Heart_Man_2000 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:33:00 +0000 http://www.theangrydrunk.com/?p=152#comment-3426 <p>I can't understand all the fuss. If you don't want Apple software on your Windows machine, don't install it in the first place. It's called freedom of choice.</p> I can’t understand all the fuss. If you don’t want Apple software on your Windows machine, don’t install it in the first place. It’s called freedom of choice.

]]> By: Darren Meyer http://www.theangrydrunk.com/2008/04/18/oh-for-the-love-of-god/comment-page-3/#comment-310 Darren Meyer Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:49:07 +0000 http://www.theangrydrunk.com/?p=152#comment-310 <p>Asa isn't whining about Apple doing exactly what he asked for -- he originally asked to have Apple make new software more clear (they did now), <em>and</em> to have the box unchecked by default. Apple did part of what he originally wanted: now he's saying "good job, but please don't stop there."</p> <p>It's a pretty simple issue. If you're using something to update existing software, that's what it should do. If it's going to offer to install <em>new</em> software, fine -- but users should have to accept the new software if they want it, not reject it if they don't. Google Apps does this very right, Apple doesn't.</p> <p>And yes, Firefox has some default behaviors that are unfortunate as well ("always check" should default to off, and the initial "set me as default?" dialog should have "Yes", "No", and "No, and don't ask me again" as choices ).</p> <p>The question here isn't whether someone else in the browser market is doing a better job than Apple, the point is that Apple is doing something that undermines users' trust in software updaters. If people don't trust their updaters not to give them new software, they'll just turn them off, thus leaving security holes all over the place -- and that's worse for us all.</p> Asa isn’t whining about Apple doing exactly what he asked for — he originally asked to have Apple make new software more clear (they did now), and to have the box unchecked by default. Apple did part of what he originally wanted: now he’s saying “good job, but please don’t stop there.”

It’s a pretty simple issue. If you’re using something to update existing software, that’s what it should do. If it’s going to offer to install new software, fine — but users should have to accept the new software if they want it, not reject it if they don’t. Google Apps does this very right, Apple doesn’t.

And yes, Firefox has some default behaviors that are unfortunate as well (“always check” should default to off, and the initial “set me as default?” dialog should have “Yes”, “No”, and “No, and don’t ask me again” as choices ).

The question here isn’t whether someone else in the browser market is doing a better job than Apple, the point is that Apple is doing something that undermines users’ trust in software updaters. If people don’t trust their updaters not to give them new software, they’ll just turn them off, thus leaving security holes all over the place — and that’s worse for us all.

]]> By: Darren Meyer http://www.theangrydrunk.com/2008/04/18/oh-for-the-love-of-god/comment-page-3/#comment-3425 Darren Meyer Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:49:00 +0000 http://www.theangrydrunk.com/?p=152#comment-3425 <p>Asa isn't whining about Apple doing exactly what he asked for -- he originally asked to have Apple make new software more clear (they did now), <em>and</em> to have the box unchecked by default. Apple did part of what he originally wanted: now he's saying "good job, but please don't stop there."</p> <p>It's a pretty simple issue. If you're using something to update existing software, that's what it should do. If it's going to offer to install <em>new</em> software, fine -- but users should have to accept the new software if they want it, not reject it if they don't. Google Apps does this very right, Apple doesn't.</p> <p>And yes, Firefox has some default behaviors that are unfortunate as well ("always check" should default to off, and the initial "set me as default?" dialog should have "Yes", "No", and "No, and don't ask me again" as choices ).</p> <p>The question here isn't whether someone else in the browser market is doing a better job than Apple, the point is that Apple is doing something that undermines users' trust in software updaters. If people don't trust their updaters not to give them new software, they'll just turn them off, thus leaving security holes all over the place -- and that's worse for us all.</p> Asa isn’t whining about Apple doing exactly what he asked for — he originally asked to have Apple make new software more clear (they did now), and to have the box unchecked by default. Apple did part of what he originally wanted: now he’s saying “good job, but please don’t stop there.”

It’s a pretty simple issue. If you’re using something to update existing software, that’s what it should do. If it’s going to offer to install new software, fine — but users should have to accept the new software if they want it, not reject it if they don’t. Google Apps does this very right, Apple doesn’t.

And yes, Firefox has some default behaviors that are unfortunate as well (“always check” should default to off, and the initial “set me as default?” dialog should have “Yes”, “No”, and “No, and don’t ask me again” as choices ).

The question here isn’t whether someone else in the browser market is doing a better job than Apple, the point is that Apple is doing something that undermines users’ trust in software updaters. If people don’t trust their updaters not to give them new software, they’ll just turn them off, thus leaving security holes all over the place — and that’s worse for us all.

]]> By: joecab http://www.theangrydrunk.com/2008/04/18/oh-for-the-love-of-god/comment-page-3/#comment-309 joecab Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:25:47 +0000 http://www.theangrydrunk.com/?p=152#comment-309 <p>Paranoid little me says this was Apple's plan all along, because if they started off by offering Safari in the update window as an alternative, people would bitch and moan about that as well, and they'd have no lesser evil to go back to aside from removing it all together. You can't ever underestimate the public's ability for misplaced indignation and stupidity.</p> Paranoid little me says this was Apple’s plan all along, because if they started off by offering Safari in the update window as an alternative, people would bitch and moan about that as well, and they’d have no lesser evil to go back to aside from removing it all together. You can’t ever underestimate the public’s ability for misplaced indignation and stupidity.

]]> By: joecab http://www.theangrydrunk.com/2008/04/18/oh-for-the-love-of-god/comment-page-3/#comment-3424 joecab Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:25:00 +0000 http://www.theangrydrunk.com/?p=152#comment-3424 <p>Paranoid little me says this was Apple's plan all along, because if they started off by offering Safari in the update window as an alternative, people would bitch and moan about that as well, and they'd have no lesser evil to go back to aside from removing it all together. You can't ever underestimate the public's ability for misplaced indignation and stupidity.</p> Paranoid little me says this was Apple’s plan all along, because if they started off by offering Safari in the update window as an alternative, people would bitch and moan about that as well, and they’d have no lesser evil to go back to aside from removing it all together. You can’t ever underestimate the public’s ability for misplaced indignation and stupidity.

]]> By: josef http://www.theangrydrunk.com/2008/04/18/oh-for-the-love-of-god/comment-page-3/#comment-308 josef Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:16:55 +0000 http://www.theangrydrunk.com/?p=152#comment-308 <p>Step 1. Read of Asa's comment on Daring Fireball Step 2. Check Darby's counterpoint, also via Daring Fireball. Step 3. Read comments. (Cheeks hurt from laughing so hard.) Step 4. Fall in love with this blog and wonder where it's been all my life. Off to spelunk the Angry Drunk for more gems!</p> Step 1. Read of Asa’s comment on Daring Fireball Step 2. Check Darby’s counterpoint, also via Daring Fireball. Step 3. Read comments. (Cheeks hurt from laughing so hard.) Step 4. Fall in love with this blog and wonder where it’s been all my life. Off to spelunk the Angry Drunk for more gems!

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